Do the Phillies Promote Prospects Late?

Very often you hear complaints that the Phillies hold their prospects down forever, or at least until they are old veterans.  This refrain gets repeated on message boards and comment sections forever, but is there any truth to this.  I took all the major prospects from BA’s Top 10 Phillies prospects lists since 1998 who debuted either with the Phillies or soon after a trade (Carlos Carrasco) and here is what I found.

  Acquired Debut Established
Player Source Age Year Age Year Age Year
Randy Wolf College-Jr 20 1997 22 1999 22 1999
Jimmy Rollins HS 18 1996 21 2000 21 2000
Pat Burrell College-Jr 21 1998 23 2000 23 2000
Brett Myers HS 18 1999 21 2002 21 2002
Marlon Byrd College-Jr 21 1999 25 2002 25 2003
Ryan Madson HS 17 1998 23 2003 23 2004
Chase Utley College-Jr 21 2000 24 2003 25 2004
Gavin Floyd HS 18 2001 21 2004 25 2008
Ryan Howard College-Jr 21 2001 24 2004 25 2005
Cole Hamels HS 18 2002 22 2006 22 2006
Michael Bourn College-Jr 20 2003 23 2006 25 2008
Carlos Ruiz International 19 1998 27 2006 28 2007
Kyle Kendrick HS 18 2003 22 2007 25 2010
J.A. Happ College-Jr 21 2004 24 2007 26 2009
Lou Marson HS 18 2004 22 2008
Carlos Carrasco International 16 2003 22 2009 27 2014
Antonio Bastardo International 19 2005 23 2009 24 2010
Vance Worley College-Jr 20 2008 22 2010 23 2011
Domonic Brown HS 18 2006 22 2010 24 2012
Freddy Galvis International 16 2006 22 2012 25 2015
Jonathan Pettibone HS 18 2008 22 2013 22 2013
Maikel Franco International 17 2010 22 2014
Cody Asche College-Jr 21 2011 23 2013 23 2013

Now this is a lot of numbers all at once, so I won’t expect anyone to memorize or process it all.  So here is the summarized version:

Debut Regular
Average 22.7 Average 24.0
HS 21.8 HS 23.0
College 23.3 College 24.1
International 23.2 International 26.0

Now we see about what we would expect with high schoolers arriving in the majors and then taking longer to establish themselves, meanwhile college players arrive a bit later, but establish themselves in the majors fairly quickly.  On a whole the amount of time is not out of the ordinary as we look back at the 2013 MLB draft and we see there are only 3 players from the class in the majors right now, including uber-prospect Kris Bryant who is already 23 and destroyed the minors completely.

Now there are some outliers like Carlos Ruiz who didn’t make his debut until age 27 and wasn’t a regular until 28, or Carlos Carrasco who arrive at age 22 and too until 27 to get the hang of it.  Players like Ryan Howard and Chase Utley arrived somewhere a half year or so behind some of their contemporaries, but not far enough behind that their extended circumstances (namely Jim Thome and Utley’s lack of position) don’t make it out of the ordinary.  Even a player of the elite caliber as Cole Hamels who dominated the minors didn’t make the majors until age 22 because of injuries and other setbacks.

With all this said, lets take one last look at this, here is the breakdown of all members of the current 40 man roster who made their debut for the Phillies:

Age 22 (5): Cole Hamels (HS), Jonathan Pettibone (HS), Maikel Franco (IFA), Freddy Galvis (IFA), Domonic Brown (HS)
Age 23 (6): Justin DeFratus (JC), Cody Asche (Jr), Cesar Hernandez (IFA), Aaron Altherr (HS), Odubel Herrera (R5 – IFA), Ken Giles (JC)
Age 24 (4): Ethan Martin (Tr – HS), Cameron Rupp (Jr), Ryan Howard (Jr), Chase Utley (Jr)
Age 25 (4): David Buchanan (Jr), Jake Diekman (JC), Mario Hollands (Jr), Hector Neris (IFA)
Age 26 (2): Luis Garcia (FA – IFA), Darin Ruf (Sr)
Age 27 (1): Carlos Ruiz (IFA)

The one trend you do see is that the less heralded prospects arrive later.  Sometimes this is because they start later (Ruf as a college senior), they move slower through the system, or they have real bumps along the way (Garcia).  My guess is that you will see similar trends across all of baseball with some players on the high end and some on the extreme low end, but that is the nature of many things in baseball.  But overall there isn’t anything here that would suggest that the Phillies are slow to promote anyone.

3 thoughts on “Do the Phillies Promote Prospects Late?”

  1. Very good.
    A nice bit of information to have when someone stats complaining about how the Phillies hold back youngsters.
    I guess soon M. Franco will be the one used as the latest example.

  2. Hi Matt Carlos Ruiz started out as a second baseman he didn’t change to catcher until he was 25. Jake Diekman didn’t get his velo until his delivery was change . Garcia was found late so there a lot of reasons . think Joe Jordan is much more aggressive in moving players I hope Dugan gets healthy and Perkins and Altherr get move up fast. Good article hope the Phillies can rebuild fast.

  3. You wonder if the thinness on display at the AAA and MLB teams will have the team pondering promotions from Reading a little sooner than they might otherwise. Nola threw a lot of D1 innings, so I’d worry less about him. But Biddle has thrown so few innings, relatively, and came out of high school to boot. Five or six starts displaying health and command may or may not encourage the brass to boot him up to LV. Bumping Perkins last year now seems like a mistake, for instance. They need help at the higher levels for sure, but…

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